Posts by Nathan Natas

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Federal Investigation into JW procedures

by kenmayo1 in

https://www.investigatewest.org/investigatewest-reports/wa-law-mandating-clergy-report-child-abuse-to-be-investigated-by-trumps-justice-department-17882445.

investigatewest.

wa law mandating clergy report child abuse to be investigated by tr.... .

Nathan Natas

"JW elders are not covered by clergy penitent privilege."

WHY NOT?

A "penitent" is a person who is repents the wrongs they have done. Additionally, Clergy-penitent privilege, also known as priest-penitent privilege, is an evidentiary rule that protects confidential communications between a member of the clergy and a person seeking spiritual counseling from being disclosed in court or other legal proceedings.

Notice that it requires "a" member of the clergy, not three gossips. So if I tell the triumvirate about my murders, that is not a clergy-penitent confession, it's a chat with "the guys," or, as Anony Mous put it, a "business meeting."

Let's say I go to a Judicial Committee of three elders and tell them that I was mugged. I have not committed any wrong; I am not "confessing" anything.

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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it

by JohnR1975 in

fruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?

yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.

br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.

Nathan Natas

Rattigan350 said, "Seabreeze - The Governing body members are not the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus is the leader."

and we know Jesus is on the THIN side; in fact, you can see right through him (literally and figuratively). He is VERY H/W proportionate. So he is demonstrating the "Fruits of the Loom."

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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it

by JohnR1975 in

fruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?

yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.

br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.

Nathan Natas

"Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it," said the skinny judge.

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Can you help me with this please?

by HOTB in

i posted as hotb but my last comment came out liked to primrose.. i've included a link to the post below.. any help in explaining what is going would be much appreciated.. i'll ne interested if this post is linked to me at hotb or to primrose.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5190898829230080/there-new-rule-regarding-disfellowshipped-people.

Nathan Natas

First question: Are you both HOTB and PRIMROSE?

(Not that there's anything wrong with that ..(i.e., NTTAWWT))

Second question: Does this happen on one device, or do two different devices display different attribution of the post?

If this happens on one device, it's DEEMINZ! If two different devices display different attribution of the post, the problem is much easier to solve.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Nathan Natas

Hiddleswife said, "...Her elders took the words of these Dubs (who had TITLES)..."

Did they have big tit-les? I'll bet they did.

Please pardon me, my eyes are acting up...

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Nathan Natas

Like SeaBreeeze, I know of someone who was disfellowshipped for smoking. She was the mother of my best friend at the time. Her husband had researched The Watchtower and he did not like them. Her name was Ella. She was unable to give up smoking, and she was disfellowshipped. I was a kid at that time and thought, "Too bad, but them's the rules."

Because I was an ignorant thoughtless child, like the "Elders" who invented and enforced this terrible treatment of fellow humans.

I don't smoke; never have, never wanted to try it, so I don't encourage anyone to smoke.

Anything.

I also think it is immoral to destroy a person because they smoke. Ella died disfellowshipped. Her own son didn't speak to her after her disfellowshipping.

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New Light!

by blondie in

jw
friends

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Nathan Natas

Can anyone remember the article in the 1968 AWAKE! titled, "Neuralyzers: A Loving Provision From Jehovah"?

Of course you can't!

(A neuralyzer is a fictional gizmo from the movie "Men in Black" that erases memories.)

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Speaking for Almighty God, they endorsed RADIUM

by Nathan Natas in

but was almighty god stupid?.

you decide:.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nxuaim8j3i0?feature=share.

Nathan Natas

The Watchtower boys claimed to be directed by Jehovah's Holy Spirit. If Jehovah was the creator of all things and omniscient, why were his boys so wrong about these subjects? Does the Holy Spirit speak with a lisp? Certainly Jehovah's Holy Spirit didn't know much.

We have a rag-tag bunch of window washers who looked down on worldly wisdom but were bilge-spouts when it came to information about the nature of the world we live in.

Another, more recent, example is in regard to their statements about lecithin and where it is sourced from by the food industry. A few seconds of reading in the New York Public Library would have provided the Watchtower with accurate facts about industrial sources of lecithin, but it suited their agenda to invent false facts that fit their "Rainbow Covenant" anti-blood doctrine.

Today's Watchtower leadership is worse than the goofiest writer for The Golden Age. Today they openly, boldly, blatantly, instruct their flock to ignore their own common sense and obey Watchtower dictates because doing so will give them everlasting life.

The skeletons in The Watchtower's closet glow in the dark.

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Speaking for Almighty God, they endorsed RADIUM

by Nathan Natas in

but was almighty god stupid?.

you decide:.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nxuaim8j3i0?feature=share.

Nathan Natas

But was Almighty God STUPID?

You decide:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXUaim8J3I0?feature=share

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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

hi .

who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.

paul.

Nathan Natas

I want to thank Vienne for bringing Alan Whitby’s three important works,
“Grave Matters” (about the Watchtower cemetery)
“The Ross Libel Trial: The history of a 1913 legal case” (includes transcripts)
and “The Hudson Davidson Debate (1896) (The first known debate involving a Watchtower representative.)”

All three titles are available on LULU.COM.

I am looking forward to enjoying my copies.